1. Ali was kicked yesterday. <- Is this a correct sentence? Do I need to drop was?

2. Robots were developed yesterday <- Is this correct? Do I need to drop were? MS Word said wrong. Green underline. But when I change developed to develop it's correct (in MS Word).

3. Ali was kicked by Ahmad <- This is true sentence right?

4. He kicked me or He was kicked me? (For past tense?)

If I have any question I'll post here. Keep cool

Kiriman ini telah diubahsuai oleh amd_aft: Jun 4 2007, 09:28 PM

3. Ali was kicked by Ahmad (yes, it's true sentence)

4. He kicked me (that's right one..)
or u can use : i was kicked by him

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i want to explain more..
but i'm not expert to explain in english...

First of all, I donno much about grammar..since I'm still a student,still learning and not a native speaker..
But I can help you with some basic things about grammar that I think u really need to know...seeing that you're asking about it..


after a verb to be (vtb) which is : IS/ARE (if it's in a Present Tense sentence) or WAS/WERE (if it's in a Past Tense sentence) we add +ing to VERB that comes..


example:
Ahmad is eating a burger.

is --> eat..+ing = is eating


and as for your another question...just remember this simple rule..

kicked <-----By-----> kicking

ok, thank you. Why the word jeans has 's'? why we can't drop s? like curtains and more. why? if i have 3 jeans, -> 3 jeanss?

erm...jeans?..3 jeanses? (huhu..i'm not sure bout diz)
maybe juz like : bus --> buses
but i think, maybe 3 jeans..coz "jeans" is a type of brand..it's a name of something

other expert people plz help us...

when i lookup at the dictionary, this verb is a part of plural noun. It can't be change. My teacher said, we must add s for this noun. In malay, we say "berpasang". All "berpasang" must add s. like shoes, curtains, drapes. I'm not sure!...

Anyway,I'll try to guide you with my best

1-true
2-true
3-true
4-He kicked me. The differences between 1) and 2) were Ali in 1) and robots in sentence 2) both were objects.
it means that they "suffer" from the act of "kick" and "develop"

he was kicked me? it doesn't sound right at all.

if you put it like this;

he was kicked by me (it means YOU kicked HIM)
he kicked me (you being KICKED by him)
i kicked him (obvious,you kick him)

overall, grammar is not the important thing you have to learn... the most important is your vocabulary. trust me, even a pure mat salleh do lot of mistakes in grammar specially who lives in rural areas.

For heaven's sake i think i just hit boiling temp reading this stupid sounding, out of place, irresponsible, badgrammarButHeyNotImportant crappy reply to a thread where the starter IS TRYING TO LEARN GRAMMAR!

Trust You Hafislife??? Dhuhhh.

Amd Aft sweetheart, please do continue that noble effort to learn grammar You deserve a salute! And trust me ... grammar is as much important as vocabulary is. Although, people understand you better with correct grammar..

bad grammar I eat used fork and spoon. [how freaky are you??? go back to chernobyl!]
good grammar I ate using a fork and a spoon. [you're a normal human being ]

Chocolate-covered kiss to you all grammar-learners

Cik Bedah
Temerloh

cool down cik bedah, I just give my opinion..of course it's good if you master grammar and vocabulary. anyway, that's from my experience...learn grammar will be much easier if you master vocabulary first.

every person has different style...so keep learning anyone

Yes i cooled down ... thank you
Anyway, sweetie, next time, instead of coming out of nowhere into a topic and say something strayed, try explaining yourself first.
For instance; realise that this topic is solely about Amd Aft asking for help in learning grammar. So, you reply to his call, or you dont; choose either one. But if you want to say something else such as stating your opinion, start with "In my opinion" or "In my humble opinion", or simply "IMHO"/ "IMO". This is to make sure that your intention is understood, especially when your opinion is not in favour of Amd Aft's call for help.

Now that, sweetie, is neither grammar nor vocabulary. It is "class". Santun.
Ok ? So let's all do better next time.

====== In regards to Jeans, Shoes & Bus ===========

"Jeans" is a noun that exists only in plural form. There is no "jean", not officially. In Bahasa Malaysia, we say "sepasang seluar". We dont say "satu seluar". In English, we say "a pair of jeans" or "a pair of trousers". We do not say "a jeans" or "a trousers". But if there is more than one jeans or one trousers, 2 maybe, we say "two pairs of jeans" or "two pairs of trousers". Notice that to form plural sentences, the word PAIR is modified, not trousers, not jeans. This is a classic case of an object that physically has a repetition in its design. Do you notice that trousers/jeans have 2 legs ? That is why these 2 words exist in plural form straight away.
Another example is glasses (cermin mata). Glass in general is kaca/cermin. For cermin mata, there has to be 2 glasses(kaca). So, cermin mata only exists in plural form. So we call cermin mata glasses. A pair of glasses.

So for all above; trousers, jeans and glasses ... we have to use the article "are" not "is", pronoun "they" not "it" and "them" not "it" and "these" not "this" and "those" not "that".

Where are my trousers ?
They are in the drawer.

Are these your glasses ?
Yes. These are my glasses.

What are those in green colour over there ?
Owh those are a pair of trousers. I just bought them.

Are these freaky-looking jeans yours ?
Oh no no please no! They belong to my grandmother!

But if we are talking about glass to mean cawan or cermin (not cermin mata), the word is simply glass. One glass(cawan) is "a glass". If there is more than one, 2 maybe, then it is "two glasses".

Bus is a word of its own. Just like table or plane or chair. The letter S in bus is not an indication of plurality. Besides, bus does not have the same physical format like trousers, jeans or glasses (2 legs, 2 roundies .. repeated design). So, it is simply bus, like chair or table or plane. So, one bus is "a bus" and if there is more than one, 2 maybe, it is "two buses".

Ok i think i saw a sniper. I better leave
Hope i did help a little up there.


Mmmuahh....
Cik Bedah
Temerloh

thanks to cik bedah for her good posting...

thank q Cik bedah. you posted nice explanations. Ok, if I have any question, I'll post here again,,

Arafat -MMU Malacca

wahh...now i understand it too..thanks a lot cikbedah..you really can be our english teacher here..

it's difficult for me to understand past tense...
Sound likes confusing..

you use past tense to describe something that already happened..but you must be able to differentiate between simple past tense, continuous past tense and past perfect tense...i want to learn more, maybe you can try this website.. learn grammar there, they've got complete topic about grammar, whatever you need to know, it's there..

Kiriman ini telah diubahsuai oleh geniousboy: Nov 10 2007, 09:06 PM

good day to all

alrite, some simple sentences to be check;


Let say we want to say it to a person or a group of peoples, which one is correct?


~its time to vote cikbedah to be our guru here i think she wont mind checking our post for grammar syntax error as well hehe

Kiriman ini telah diubahsuai oleh KeH: Nov 14 2007, 05:31 PM

i think it's thanks for the meal

but lets wait for cikbedah to correct our grammar!!go cikbedah go!!hehe

Amboiii amboiii!

Owhh well letss seee ...hmmm i think this one is going to be a long browniechewing kinda typing. So brace yourself

First thing's first...the general meaning of THANK.
Thank is a verb (kata kerja) ; to express gratitude.
Example,
I thank Kiswana for her support.
You have to thank the beautiful weather for such a beautiful picnic.
"Cik Bedah, thank Cik Jenab for me please...", says Madonna.

In those cases, Thank is a verb just like the words kill, shoot, call, etc.

Thank is a noun (kata nama) ; an expression of gratitude.
Example,
Many thanks to my fellow colleagues for helping me.
I have a lot of thanks for my parents, they were very supportive.
"My endless thanks for you Cik Bedah...." says Jennifer Lopez.

In those cases, Thank is a noun just like the words cake, icecream or bomb. As a noun, the word Thank can be singular (Thank) or plural (Thanks). But, very very rarely the word Thank is used in its singular form, and as you can see, the sample sentences for noun up there use the plural form of Thank which is Thanks.

========== End Of General Talk ==============

Now, regarding those situations that KeH brought upon us here.

Thanks is a variation of Thank You. Thanks is an informal version of Thank You. Both Thanks and Thank You have one and the same meaning. Thus, they are interchangeable for use, meaning, you can use Thanks or you can use Thank You.. and only these two....with NO OTHER SPELLING !! Thanks or Thank You .. got it ?
In school, they call Thanks and Thank You as EXPRESSION. I call them WORDS. Im like...totally dhuhhh!!!

Sample A : Thanks for the meal. / Thanks for the meals.
Both are correct.
Explanation:
As explained up there, the word Thanks used in both sentences here is correct as it is merely another version of Thank You. Remember, Thanks and Thank You are one and the same and they are interchangeable.
The words Meal and Meals are noun. Meal is singular and Meals is plural. Thats all. These two words are about the food and nothing else.

Thanks for the bomb. / Thanks for the bombs.
Thanks for the apple. / Thanks for the apples.

See.... ? So, theres nothing wrong in KeH's Sample A there.

Sample B : Thank for the meals. / Thank for the meal.
Both are wrong.
Explanation:
As explained up there, the word Thank here cannot be used to mean Thank You because the interchangeable expression for Thank You is Thanks, not Thank. Always, its either Thanks or Thank You.
The word Meals and Meal are noun, Meals is plural and Meal is singular. Again, you can thank people for one meal or two meals..theres nothing wrong with that.


Actually, those two samples are not related to how many people we say Thanks/ThankYou to. This is because, the expression Thanks comes from Thank You... YOU is the pronoun (kata gantinama) for one person AND more than one person. English language has only one word for this which is YOU. YOU is both for singular pronoun AND plural pronoun. So we say Thanks/ThankYou to one person or a group of people..it doesnt matter.
The words Meal and Meals. Again, these two words are about one meal or two/three/four/countless meals...one apple, two/three/four/countless apples. Meal and Meals here are not about how many people were eating. One person can eat one meal or two or more meals. Likewise, a group of people can share one meal or they can have two or more meals.

Sssssooooo...we say..

Thanks KeH, for bringing the table/tables.
Thank you KeH, for bringing the table/tables.
Thanks all, for bringing the table/tables.
Thank you all, for bringing the table/tables.

See ... no matter how many person or people you say your thanks to, and no matter how many table they bring, one table or more tables, you either say Thanks or Thank You.

Lastly... we dont use Thanks during formal situations. We always use Thank You.
"Terima kasih....", kata Perdana Menteri semasa menerima anugerah tersebut.
"Mekasih.........", kata Perdana Menteri semasa menerima anugerah tersebut. (Huhhh???)

So this whole thing boils down to the fact that Geniousboy is correct. I just needed an excuse to hang around this kitchen table and eat lots of chocbrownies. So ... Thanks for the meal.
Hokay....i should be disgustingly annoying to yall right now.

Cik Bedah
Temerloh....

Kiriman ini telah diubahsuai oleh abedahmatusin: Nov 15 2007, 03:20 PM

So we cannot use the word "Thank" as alone word.
We must use word Thanks or Thank you to show we are appreciate what we have get.

It can use for plural and singular.
It's it right cik bedah?

It's it Cik bedah is a teacher in school ?
I love explanation from cikbedah.
Hope you can share with us.
Thank you.

cikbedah..i'm really impressed with you..with the way you explain things, with examples..easy for us understand..and i don't think my english teacher back then at school can explain as good as you are cikbedah..